Christopher Wark (00:00.014)
If you're gonna commit to yourself, do it wholeheartedly and do it forever because it's a change in your life, your body, your mind, and you cannot drop it because you'll revert to what brought you to that juncture where you started.

Christopher Wark (00:20.686)
Hey everybody, it's Chris. I have another amazing cancer healing story for you today. It's Patricia Lutzi. She was diagnosed with stage four B -cell non -Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2015. And she was given the option to jump into chemo right away or to watch and wait. And...

She took that opportunity, which by the way is really surprising. And we'll get into that really surprising that her doctor gave her a watch and wait option was stage four, but she took that opportunity. She decided to, to not, to not only watch and wait, but to really examine her life, to look at all aspects of her life and begin this investigative journey to figure out what was contributing to her disease. And I think she's going to have a lot of wisdom to share.

Um, because for her, it wasn't diet and you'll learn why, um, as we get into her story. So, uh, I don't want to spoil it. So, uh, Patricia, thanks for taking the time. Good to see you. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I appreciate being here. So let's start with your story. 2015. How, how did you figure out you had lymphoma? I, um, had exposed, uh, nodules one on my neck.

my right neck, and one in my left groin. And I didn't know what they were. So I went to my endocrinologist and he said, oh, you need to go to an oncologist. So I said, all right. So I went to two of them actually. One was very watching weighty, as you just said. The other one was very strong at getting to me with treatments.

He I walked out on, the other one I accepted, and he made me promise if I was going to watch and wait and not do treatment, that in six months I would come back and we'd discover where I was and what needed to happen at that point. There's a good lesson there too, by the way, is having multiple opinions. Yes. Always get a second one at least. Always get a second, get a third. I know someone who got five opinions from medical doctors on their cancer diagnosis. Yeah. Yeah. So,

Christopher Wark (02:44.685)
don't assume the first person you see has the best advice for you. Yes, I agree with you. So what a great doctor who gave you that permission, right? Really gave you permission. So a lot of cancer patients feel like they don't have permission to make their own life decisions. After they're diagnosed, they just feel like everybody's going to make decisions for them and they're just along for the ride. Okay, so you, you.

made this decision, okay, I'm gonna watch and wait. And then what was going through your mind? Because you had been eating a very healthy diet, a plant -based diet, a raw food diet, vegetarian, vegan, like you had really been on this path a long time from what I understand. Yes. So what it did, what it allowed me to figure out that cancer is not something that we have to be afraid of.

fear actually is false notions about nothing that's real. So I looked back at my history and discovered, I think, where it came from. When I was six months old, they were doing studies on babies, were called radiation babies, and I was radiated in my thymus.

And the whole purpose of this was they were doing a study to see if they could keep large weighted babies, I was eight pounds, 11 ounces, from gaining weight and becoming fat. So they radiated my thymus. I was six months old. I had no idea what happened. My mother never told me. My father never told me. So when I was 21, I got a letter from the hospital telling me they did this to me.

and that I should immediately get my thyroid tested because I will eventually get some sort of cancer within the next 50 years. That's insane. I've never heard about this. Yes. Now I've got to go down this research rabbit hole, but there's a lot of really horrible unethical things that doctors have done to humans under the guise of research, which is basically just human experimentation.

Christopher Wark (05:07.79)
And to babies not even with the mother not knowing and wow. Yeah, yeah. So obviously I became very angry at my parents during that time, because I did have a very troubling childhood as far as weight went, my thyroid hormones weren't working, it was terrible. So when I started doing my research backwards, I

became aware that this is probably what started the problem. And then as I was aging, it just became worse and worse. So when I discovered that is when I became a vegetarian and then I became the vegan raw, gluten free, exercise like a fool. I did everything I thought I had to do in order to become a cancer conqueror if it ever hit me.

So realizing that and realizing my life was in order as far as physically surrounding, I didn't know where else to look. So I had to dig really, really deep and discovered there was a lot of fear and anxiety and anger within my body over what happened to me when I was six months old. And I needed to release that anger.

and find an outlet for it. So what I started doing was looking at frequency and vibrations and how to cleanse your emotions from your brain and your approach and just end all that stuff that was really affecting me and I didn't even know it existed. So I did do a lot of things in reference to the vibrations and frequency.

I incorporated so many things into my life, you name it, I went there. And then I studied even, I'm an aromatherapist, I'm a formulator, I'm a feng shui therapist. What else am I? We can go on and on with what I, you know, all the things that I have done. I'm a botanical healer, I'm a vegetarian nutritionist. So I thought I was doing it all correctly.

Christopher Wark (07:33.262)
until this happened. So what did you discover? What did you change? Because you were already, as you said, you were already doing a lot of stuff. You'd already learned a lot. You were practicing a lot of, you know, what would be considered health and wellness practices, eating really well. What's left to change? All right. As I said, my frequency and my vibration.

I spent two weeks at what's called the Casa and worked with the people there. I spent two weeks there and discovered amazing things about myself. I freed myself from a lot of, like I said earlier, anger, anxiety. I was mad at the world. I was doing it right. I'm doing what you told me to do. And now this happens. So the Casa.

Actually, when you get there, you go, you are handed a set of rules that you have to follow, not only while you're there, but when you leave, because you have to continue the process on your own for six weeks after you leave. So there at the Casa, we had meditation area, we had current area, we had waterfalls. I did a lot.

work there. So when you arrive there, they assign you your passata. After that, you then go to a meditation garden where each bench has a saying on it. It might even just say love. So and you would pick a bench and sit on it and journal. Journal was a big, big part of this process. And there was also waterfalls.

that you could go and cleanse yourself. And we had, there was all only vegetarian restaurants in the village. There were bookstores with amazing books for you to either take out like a library, to educate yourself, things like that. And it became one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I just really discovered who I was and what was really.

Christopher Wark (09:59.278)
in my soul. So I hated to leave there because I was so calm and I was so prepared to receive all of this. And that's the one thing people have to understand. Cancer is not the death sentence. Cancer can be eliminated from your body, but you have to commit to doing that. No one's going to do it for you. And that's what I did. I committed that this was going to happen.

And I was going to get through this and I was going to eliminate it from my body. So when I left the Casa, I took all those practices with me. I think I have since 2015, 200 journals that I would write in regularly and meditate over when I was writing to discover different blockages within my body. So the main purpose of the Casa was to

find out what emotions are being affected. Well, you know, your story is different than many of the, many of the others I've interviewed, but it's similar in a way that there's a, there's a, something I see that's very common is just getting out of your environment can be so powerful and so therapeutic. And a lot of patients have this kind of experience.

at a number of different clinics and retreat centers where especially if that retreat center is oriented toward creating a very peaceful, you know, natural peaceful environment and where a person can go and like you literally you just completely get away from all the distractions, all the noise, all the stress of your normal daily life and the people right? Right. And

you're forced to just really be there with yourself with your thoughts, you know, and, and that introspection I know is obviously was powerful for you and is was for me as well. And a lot of other people is when you really sit and think about who am I? What do I want out of life? What? What do I care about? Do I want to live? What do I have to live for? These are really important questions. And and what am I? What am I upset about? What am I angry about? Why am I anxious like?

Christopher Wark (12:19.598)
and digging through your thoughts and your emotions and all the baggage from your past and bitterness and resentment and anger are very, very common, very, very common in cancer patients. And it's one of the most important things. And I'm glad that you mentioned this in your story. It's one of the most important things that cancer patients must address. And for me, it's through forgiveness.

forgiving the people who've hurting, who've hurt you, letting go of the need for justice, right? And just releasing them to God. That's what I did. I was like, God, they're all yours. I'm not going to hold onto this anger, like, because I know it's polluting me, it's poisoning me, it's crippling me, it's making me sick. And so I think there's a lot of value just in

Yeah, getting out of your life. The epiphany that I had was, you know, the way you're living is killing you. Right. Right. Sadness epiphany. The way you're living is killing you. And so if you entertain that idea that the way you're living may be killing you, then sort of the next logical step is, okay, what about my life? Right. What aspects of my life are counterproductive to health and healing?

What aspects of my life are contributing to my disease? And you really have to lay it all on the table. I know, right? You have to, you have to be willing to look at yourself naked, so to speak. Yes. And admit your flaws and your fears and your failures, right? You have to just be just brutally honest with yourself and, and sort yourself out. Yeah. So I did.

You know, your method was very different than mine, but we did the same things, right? And many other patients that I know who've survived against the odds did these very same things in different locales and different settings. But essentially it's like really getting to the root cause of so many, so much chronic disease, which is the umbrella term is stress. Yes. That's what I was going to say. Cause I was a successful entrepreneur.

Christopher Wark (14:40.366)
I was traveling the world, I was eating right, I was meeting people, and I thought everything was okay. I never was sick, I never got the flu, I never got a cold, I never had anything. So not even childhood diseases, which was kind of odd because of the radiation, but there was nothing I thought identifiable as to what was wrong, but it was the stress.

of keeping up that lifestyle. So I want to ask you, were there any particular, what I call them are cancer triggers, but this would be, you know, specific traumatic stressful events in your life, you know, in the few years leading up to your diagnosis that you've identified that might've kind of exacerbated your vulnerability? Yes, there were. I, um,

had bad relationships my whole life, and I believe that had to do with fear, some of them with anger towards the individual. And that kept coming on and on until finally I just stopped that and said, I'm done. But I wasn't done. I was carrying the pain, the hurt with me until the diagnosis was made. So I keep coming back to it, but stress and emotions,

are the things that are depleting your vibrations and your energy within your body. So that's how I discovered I needed to change. I see this often as a person will quote unquote, do everything right and still struggle to, to heal. And usually what's missing is the, the, the emotional.

component, the mental, emotional and spiritual component of health. They haven't looked at that, right? They haven't looked at their past. They haven't revisited the people who've hurt them and made a decision to forgive those people, right? They haven't examined their own thoughts and fears, faced their fears. And, and that can be the one barrier to healing. I mean, stress can really outweigh everything else.

Christopher Wark (17:04.206)
Even if you do chemotherapy and radiation, if you don't deal with the stress, that's not going to work. It may momentarily, but it's not going to have the longevity it's supposed to have. If you don't do your emotions and your spiritual aspect. I've said this for years that there's, you know, whenever I'm talking about cancer survival and how people are healing, you know, invariably I'll kind of get to this.

statement that I make often, which is, you know, some people, all they need to do is forgive. Yes, right. They don't need to change their diet. They don't need to actually like, they just need to forgive. Like, that's the thing for them, right. And, and under the stress umbrella, right, but usually, forgiveness is a big one. And you you kind of fit in that category for me, like you, that was kind of your story, like all you needed to do was forgive and deal with the mental

the baggage and all that kind of stuff that you were carrying. And release it all to... Some of it I didn't release to the person who caused it, but I released it to God. So basically I sat and journaled and meditated on what needed to change and I just kept coming up on this spirituality that I was missing. So not that I go to church nowadays, but I do meditate.

I do journaling every day still just because I have to get what happened the day before out of me that morning so I can face a new day clear and clean, so to say, with a mind open. Well, you know, there's a lot of really fascinating research on the benefits of meditation. You know, it's just sitting quietly, you know, paying attention to your breath. And of course,

prayer, you can incorporate prayer into meditation as well. And the physiological changes that happen in your body are profound. I mean, it really does calm down your nervous system, reduce inflammation, reduce stress. And yeah, there's just a cascade of measurable changes that happen when you put yourself in this state of calm, right? And meditation is like an it's like exercising, people try to assign a spiritual

Christopher Wark (19:27.79)
element to it. And you certainly can if you want to, but I'm talking about it as just a purely physical exercise. Yes. Just sitting calmly and quietly and just paying attention to your breath. And, and then, so that is fully documented, extremely helpful to get your body into rest and digest into healing mode and out of fight or flight. But then the other thing you did and still do is also well documented, which is journaling.

Yep. There's a book called expressive writing. That's pretty famous. Maybe you know it, but it's they've done studies on humans where they found that there's this practice of just writing down each day. Your stress is like writing down what you're upset about, what you're frustrated about, what you're afraid of, what you're worried about, you know, just writing down all that stuff, getting it out of your head onto the paper. And the method is actually, and then you destroy it.

So you've kept yours, but the expressive writing technique is you actually destroy it. You get it out of your head onto paper and then you destroy it. You don't keep it. Now the act of getting it on paper, I think is super powerful and beneficial, but whether or not you need to destroy it, who knows? No, it's up to the individual. My journals actually were the basis for a book I'm writing about my journey and it's called participation required.

So you have to figure out what you need to do and participate in it, wholly, completely and fully, in order to go ahead and understand what you need for your healing. So even when I do journal or even exercise and meditation, I listen to solfeggio music, frequency music. I usually listen to the frequency of God. I think it's 996 or something like that.

megahertz and, uh, or abundance. So whatever's lacking in my life at that point that I feel, I find the, the hurts of the solfeggio music. And I listened to that for at least an hour, if not more, because that also calms me down. That's great. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I've definitely gotten into that stuff too. Whole tones. Uh, yes.

Christopher Wark (21:52.75)
Yeah. Healing frequency music. And Michael Terrell is a friend of mine and I've interviewed him. Actually, I'll link to that in the show notes if anybody wants to go down the healing frequency rabbit hole. It's fascinating too. I really like, yeah, I love your story. I love the fact that I think so many people put so much emphasis on treatments and therapies and the physical stuff, which I also do. I emphasize those things because I think...

for a lot of people, the physical changes give them this forward momentum. Right? When they change their diet, that first of all, gives you more energy. Like eating fruits and vegetables gives you more energy reduces inflammation, you start to lose excess weight, like a good things happen, your blood work improves. But beyond that, it sort of unlocks this, this potential that a lot of people don't realize they have.

Right. A lot of people I think believe like, Oh, I could never do that. I could never change my diet. I could never stop eating cheese or whatever. Right. And then when they do, they feel so accomplished and they feel like, what else can I do? Right. So I like to call the raw food diet is the gateway drug to radical self change. Right. It is right. Right. It's a gate. It's just, it just kind of, it's that forward momentum, right? Like, wow.

Okay, I can do this. What else can I do? And, and usually what follows is the introspective stuff. Right. Right. And so the physical stuff, those changes are so easy to make and you can make them today. You can change what you eat today. You can start exercising, just even going for a walk today. You've already started like, and then as you get those new habits in place, the physical habits, you can go to bed earlier, get more sleep. You can get fresh air and sunshine deliberately. Like there's physical habits.

Once you get that dialed in, then all of a sudden the wheels start turning. You're like, okay, all right, now what? Well, that's where I was. I was at that point saying, well, now what? I thought I was doing it all right. And come to find out, I was carrying all of these traumas since I was a baby being radiated. I'm sure it was a traumatic experience for me.

Christopher Wark (24:17.998)
But I'm not aware of where I was at that time, but it did impact me for the rest of my life. How much time did it take between your diagnosis and your first positive scan? Positive is the wrong word, but you know what I'm saying? Or noticeable, like maybe you could tell lumps were getting smaller or there was a scan where they were smaller, that kind of thing. Exactly. So with the lump issue, I used a lot of CBD.

the CBD we hear about here in the States, but CBD with the entourages of the terpenes that go with it. So I had a medical marijuana doctor who would create it for me and I would rub those every day. So again, another form of meditation. And as I was doing that, they started to disappear. So when I went back to the doctor six months later, he said to me,

I was clear, I was in what they call spontaneous remission because they didn't do it. So it can't be called remission on its own. So, and then he looked at me and said, of all my patients, I knew you were the only one who could do this. And that made me feel so proud that I found my own answers to my own health. So it wasn't long, it was six months.

That's great. And why do you think he had that confidence in you? Were there things you talked about in the beginning, you know, with him? Well, I didn't know him personally, but my endocrinologist I had been to for years. So he knew me personally inside and out and knew my beliefs and things, knew my fear. I have a fear about doctors. I don't like them. I don't like going to them. And, um,

So basically conferring with him, I believe he came up with the thought that I had enough strength in me to do this. And that's what I want to believe. I never asked him why he let me go, but he was happy when I came back and it was gone. Because he did make me promise, after six months, if nothing has changed, you've got to do Western medicine. So.

Christopher Wark (26:40.526)
That's remarkable. And, you know, folks, this is not a surprise to me. I've interviewed dozens and dozens and dozens of people who have healed all types and stages of cancer. And when you adopt this radical approach, the holistic approach, which is changing everything about your life, assuming that the way you're living is killing you then and that everything has to change, right? Almost everything.

Uh, but, um, it's just not unusual for, for blood work to improve rapidly for tumors to start shrinking for healing to occur. Right. And I've seen people get well in a matter of months, six months, a year. Sometimes it takes a few years, but listen, it's important that as you monitor your progress, that you, uh,

don't get sucked into doing things out of fear. Cause sometimes, sometimes I'll see patients and they're not my patients, right? Cause I'm not a doctor, but I'll, I'll talk with cancer patients who are, have adopted a radical lifestyle change, doing all the things we talked about and they're, they go in for a test, a scan, blood work, and it comes back improved.

But then somehow they get talked into starting conventional treatment. Yes. Out of fear. Right. So the doctor says, well, you know, your tumor shrunk. This is a, this is a, we got to start chemo now. And it's like, but wait a second. You were healing. Like you were healing. Hang in there. Like, and I love that the title of your book, um, because, uh, you know, it,

It's it, uh, it really is a personal responsibility message, right? Participation required. Yes. Right. Absolutely. You cannot be in the passenger seat of your healing journey. You have to be the driver. Right. And most patients are not driving. They are not even the passenger. They're just strapped onto the hood. Right.

Christopher Wark (29:02.958)
You know, and everybody, the doctors and their family and all these other people are making decisions for them and they're, they're just along for the ride. Right. Yeah. Even, you know, my family and friends, they thought I was crazy. You know, you're going to do this and you're going to Brazil. So because they didn't understand, they would have never gone there on their own. And yet, because they didn't understand, they were fearful for me that they kind of wanted to just

credit all that work I wanted to do and do the right thing, but it wasn't the right thing for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And many people, yeah, they believe that the conventional path is the right path. And then they find out later it didn't work. And that's usually pretty, pretty devastating to have a recurrence after enduring all these brutal treatments. And then...

then your option is even more brutal treatments, different drugs, you know, that are like not as good as the first drug, because if the first drug didn't work, it's kind of like, well, let's try something else. And you end up being just a guinea pig and your health just continually spirals down. Yep. And I discovered a lot of things like with CBD, you know, they were using that as the forever healing plant since...

2 ,900 BC. And it was only ruled illegal in 1939. Up to that point, everybody was using it, juicing it, tinctures. You can smoke it if you want, but that was not my habit. So I was amazed that it was ever legal, because they make you think it was never legal. It was never available to us.

But as I get, I'm getting older and understanding society, I understand the dynamics behind those stories. Yeah. Commercial interests for sure were the main reason that cannabis was outlawed, but it's coming back around. It certainly is useful as plant medicine. Especially the full spectrum cannabis oil, not necessarily the THC. I mean, the full spectrum non -psychoactive cannabis oil is wonderful. There's a lot of incredible.

Christopher Wark (31:27.758)
anti -cancer compounds in there. And yeah, it's, it can be useful. You know, the other thing that you mentioned I wanted to touch on is, uh, your doctor told you that you had a spontaneous remission and that always makes me laugh because, and I talk about this in my book, but, um, in the medical community, they're not allowed to use the word healing with cancer. Like they never say, Oh, you're, you healed your body healed. Right. Yeah.

That's what it is. Right. They have this term that they had to make up spontaneous remission. Exactly. Right. Because the word remission itself doesn't mean healing. Remission is just this, you know, sort of undetermined window of time between when they, you know, either cut it cancer out or shrunk it or poisoned it. Right. And it has, you know, maybe disappeared or it's smaller and it's not growing.

And then when it starts going again, that's like what remission is. It's just this like window of time, but it doesn't mean healed or cured. But spontaneous remission does mean healed. Yes. Yes. But I want to say something in regard to what you said about CVD, THC. I think people even hearing that that's what I did might say, oh my God, you know, why there? But it's, you know,

It's an ancient healing plant used by indigenous people. Like I said, well, in the topical, I mean, there's no psychoactive effect of the topical anyway. Exactly. So like I said, that's why I went to a medical marijuana doctor. So whatever I was being diagnosed by her, you know, she knew my history and together we came up with what my body needed of all the constituents of the plant. You know, even terpenes, certain terpenes will work with cancer.

So I really dug into that because I'm a believer in it, especially now because of what it has helped me with. But like I said earlier, there's also essential oils. And their vibrational effect can change your body. And you don't drink those. You put them on your body or you make a blend with them. You've got to do something. So that's what I delved into, the whole aspect.

Christopher Wark (33:53.71)
of vibration and frequency. Energy medicine. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Energy medicine has been around a long time. I know. A long time. What did Tesla say? If you want to understand the secrets of the universe, think in terms of frequency and vibration. Yes. This is Nikolai Tesla. Yeah. Not Elon Musk, the owner of Tesla automobiles. So everybody knows. Right. And.

And, you know, the most brilliant minds in the world, you know, Einstein, Edison, Tesla, they all understood that energy and vibration and frequency, hidden things, right? These invisible fields that are really connected to all of life have tremendous power and to influence health and disease. And but but again, it's it's.

It sounds woo woo, right? It sounds esoteric. It sounds like it's just made up or fantasy. I think it's because they can't hold it. It has no physical properties, but you have to, you have to believe in it because it's all over the place. Are there any essential oils that you're particularly fond of in terms of benefits for cancer? Frankincense is like the king of essential oils.

And when mixed with myrrh, you have an entourage effect. There's turmeric with the entourage effect of black pepper. There's lemongrass and bergamot. So I would create these blends in magnesium chloride and spray it on my body and then rub it in and receive the effects from the oils as well as the magnesium.

That's great. Yeah, frankincense and myrrh. We know that Bible story, don't we? Yes. Yeah. And actually, the gold in the frankincense and myrrh and gold, the gold was tumeric. Well, I've heard that. I've heard that hypothesis. I'm not sure. I'm not convinced, but I'm open to it. I'm convinced because it makes total sense to me. Well, what we do agree on for sure is that

Christopher Wark (36:15.918)
Tumeric is an incredible anti -cancer herb. Yes. No doubt. I mean, it is awesome. It's been studied extensively and blocks a number of different cancer pathways. Like it's awesome. I know it was a big part of my cancer healing routine. I still take curcumin supplements with bioperin, which is black pepper extract. Right. Just exactly what you're talking about. So yeah, I don't want to diminish the, the, the tumor.

Yeah. You know, turmeric is a technically it's not an herb though, right? It's more of like a tuber. It's a root. Yes, exactly. And I don't even know what what genus it falls under. But anyway. Yeah. And there's also ginger. So if you make turmeric and ginger, another entourage effect. So every night, I drink that tea before I go to bed to cleanse my body to calm my body and to give me some medical benefits.

I love it. Yeah, we put turmeric root and ginger root in our juices. Yep. And routine is actually the basis of this whole thing. So you can't just do something once and say, oh, it's working. I'm done now. I continue everything I discovered at this time in my life to this day. And I obviously, I don't want to think I'm going to leave this world, but I'll be doing it till the end.

And I incorporate everything else that I learn about because things have changed, as you know, with supplement requirements and things like that. So, and I continue to grow, I continue to learn and sometimes modify, sometimes say, well, no, this is working. I don't want to leave that and go over here. So you have to feel comfortable with what's going into your body to help.

Yeah. I think if you believe that food is medicine, you need to treat it like medicine, which is you need to continually dose yourself. Yes. Daily because the benefit that you get from food, from herbs, from supplements, right? The benefit that you get is short, right? It's a short window of benefit. It may just be a few hours of benefit after you ingest whatever. And so that's like with juicing. That's why people who are on a juicing regimen, you're going to be drinking juices.

Christopher Wark (38:37.038)
every hour or two, right? Cause you're continually dosing, continually getting those molecules into your body, into your bloodstream, to your cells and getting whatever benefit you get. And so yeah, the routine, like you said, so important that you just continually supplying your body with these nutrients that can reduce inflammation, promote detoxification, work directly against cancer cells, calm down your nervous system, like bind to toxins, all kinds of benefits.

Right, right. Yep. And most people, I don't think, approach this as we did with the commitment, this is going to be my life now. And we're going to follow this until until something else comes up or until something else can replace it. But I'm not going to leave it alone and not do it ever again. That's not my personality. You got to stay on the healthy path. Yes, you do.

Well, Patricia Lutzi, thank you for your time. I love your story. I'm just, I'm just so pleased that you were able to heal yourself. And, and it's really important. I think that people understand that it's not just the physical stuff, right? You have to address the mental, emotional, and spiritual stuff too, because your, your health, mental, emotional, and spiritual health.

affect your physical health. And so like, they're inseparable. And that's really, I know you know this, but that's the power in your story is that. Right. Right. And because you had the physical stuff dialed in pretty much. Yeah, there's still a lot for me to learn. Still a lot to learn. Yeah. Yeah. And it's even today, there's still a lot to learn. So, um,

You know, people just, if you're going to commit to yourself, do it wholeheartedly and do it forever because it's a change in your life, your body, your mind, and you cannot drop it because you'll revert to what brought you to that juncture where you started. Yeah. Stay the course. Yes. Stay the course. Stay the course. What I like to say is point your ship toward healthy Island. Yes. Right. Point your ship toward healthy Island. Like that's, that's the destination. Right. And you have to keep.

Christopher Wark (41:03.438)
You have to keep the ship on track. It's easy to get blown off course, right? The wind and the waves and storms, right? Things happen in life. It's easy to get knocked off course and beat up and battered around, but you just got to right the ship, pointed toward healthy Island. Well, I love that analogy. May I steal it? You may. Thank you. It is copywritten in one of my books. Feel free to use it though. I can use it to explain to people why they should not set their commitment.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Please, please use it. I'm just teasing. Well, this is a great place to wrap it up. Where can people connect with you? Through email would be the best. Are you on social media or anything? I'm on Instagram and I'm on Facebook, but I don't practice there because that also takes me away from my focus of what I'm doing now, trying to finish the book to get it to publish. Well, we'll put links to

connect with you below the interview. That way, I don't want you to put your email out there and then get a million emails or whatever. You give you the option of removing your email at some point if you get too many. Oh no, I would welcome them. I started out as a teacher sharing information. So if someone has a question or needs a referral to something, I'm willing to do that. So I can send you a...

My Gmail. So that way. We'll post it below the interview. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you, Patricia. Great to talk to you. Great to connect. Thank you, everybody, for watching. This has been really interesting and fun. And please share it with people you care about because the world needs to know. They need to understand. People need to understand that cancer does not have to be a death sentence. Right. The cancer can be healed. It takes massive action.

It takes full participation on your part, but it is something that anyone can do. So until next time, thanks for watching. I'll see you on the next one. All right. Thanks, Chris. I appreciate being here.