Speaker 1 (00:00.086)
My oldest got horrible, disfiguring eczema on her hands that looked almost like warts, a little bit like tiny warts. Learning that if you mix apple cider vinegar with bentonite clay, the itching from eczema is reduced by, I would say, to 80%. That was a big one. It just seems like people really struggle with eczema. We learned that colloidal silver on the eczema actually helps too.

Speaker 2 (00:29.464)
Hey everybody, it's Chris. And today I am really excited to have Courtney Campbell back on the podcast, back on YouTube, back on whatever platform you're watching. Courtney's been a long time friend of mine. She was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2008, healed it naturally with no conventional treatment. We'll touch on her story here, but I've interviewed her twice already. And so

I'm going to put links in the show notes so you can actually go and watch her talk more about her healing story. But Courtney actually has a brand new book and it's called the A to Z natural healing handbook, tried and true remedies from a mom of six. Yeah. Six kids. She, she went on after healing cancer, went on to have six children. And so, she is a very busy mom, homeschool mom.

a master of natural remedies and using them all on her kids and herself and her husband, Kevin, who's also a dear friend. So anyway, Courtney, good to see you. You look great.

Thank you. Yeah, look good, Chris. You look great. Thank you. Are you at the beach? But the beach has snow? I don't know why I thought that.

I wish I was at the beach with the snow.

Speaker 1 (01:49.206)
My sister's in Panama City and they're on the beach with snow today.

Yeah, they got it. It's like, I don't know how long it's been since they had snow like decades or something.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Once in a lifetime snow at the beach.

Yeah. I want to make sure people know that they can find you at anticancermom.com and on social media, anticancermom. Courtney is very active on social media and has a great website, great resource. So anyway, folks can find you there. But I want to talk about the book because I think it's great that you wrote this and I'm curious, what was the impetus to put this together? Were you?

I want to guess first, were you sort of compiling your own little personal list of helpful, like, you know, helpful natural remedies, little things, and then it turned into, Hey, wait a minute. I've got a long list.

Speaker 1 (02:44.91)
Yes, totally. 15 years, you my oldest is 15. So I've been at this whole game of trying to avoid conventional medicine and pharmaceuticals for my kids for 15 years. And so, you know, over the years just compiled the list, I ended up with over 100 ailments of various things. Not that my children have had all these things, you know, all these issues. They've actually had very little.

But, you know, respiratory issues, can be various ways of healing. And so it just kind of compiled it on and then also advice from other friends who are also more natural minded and, and ended up having this huge list. And I would write things down to as, you know, lot of my homeschool mom friends were all, a lot of us are into natural medicine. I've got like, I've got friends who are total homeopathic experts, you know, and then I have friends that are more herbal minded. and so,

Yeah, I've just kind of making this list over the years. I had a little note on my phone and then I had some written stuff and it was last fall. I started compiling it together to sort of create a freebie kind of list to share with people. And it ended up being enough for a book. yeah, I went into some of the vaccine research that we did that's included in there because I was just getting so many questions from.

moms, friends of mom friends and their friends and people, you know, asking me what to do. And so I just wrote down in this book. And then of course, at the end, I had people, I pulled my Instagram community and I said, anything else you can think that you would want in this book. And so many people said, your cancer protocols. So I was like, ah, I guess I'll throw that in there too. it's kind of like the Jack of all trades natural healing book. So I called the A to Z natural healing handbook.

It's great. You sent me a copy. Hold it up for folks. have a digital copy. But yeah, hold it up so we can see it. Beautiful book. Good looking cover. You can judge the book by its cover because it's a good looking cover. And it's thorough. mean,

Speaker 1 (04:49.969)
yeah.

Kevin does a great job with that kind of thing, my husband Kevin.

Kevin's got some creative skills.

got the creative juices really.

So what are some of the things in the book?

Speaker 1 (05:04.258)
Well, I mentioned you mentioned the ebook and I actually prefer the ebook myself. I mean, I could show I could show you on my phone, but I actually created a little icon on my phone, the very front page that I just use it kind of like an app. the ebook is clickable, right? So you can open it up and, you know, go to whatever, look at the table of contents and click on dry skin or eczema or, you know, stomach bug or flu or whatever. And it just goes straight to that section versus like.

I love, know, paperback is beautiful, but you have to kind of fish through, it's alphabetical, so it's not difficult. And you get to the page on the paperback and, you know, there's all these clickable links that you can't click on on the paperback, but on the ebook, you can. And so I really had the ebook in mind when I wrote this book, because I wanted it to be interactive and easy for people. So they don't have to, I mean, even like when you read a traditional paperback book.

you see a study you're like, oh, that's great. But then you go to the bibliography. And it's just like, this miles long, you're supposed to type in like, you know, 59 letters of the URL. But in the ebook, it's just click on the link. And so I recommend ebook personally. But yeah, it's a great like a lot of people are saying, Oh, my gosh, I bought four copies to give to my friends who are having babies. I'm like, yes, that's a great. Why didn't I think of that?

Great.

Speaker 1 (06:25.868)
So it is a great baby shower book. It's a great just book to have on hand on your shelf. But like I said, personally, the ebook kind of rocks.

I'm glad you did it. I mean, there's a lot of books out there that have natural remedies, right? But what I've found in my own personal experience is that some of them, they just didn't work. They didn't help me at all in certain situations. you know, I'm just kind like, is this, you know, was this any bit, is this really even been tested or used by anyone? Right? Is this a wise tale? That kind of thing, right? Because, you know, there are a lot of folk remedies out there that don't work, right? They don't do anything. And so I think it's great that a lot of these

I don't know if all of them, but a lot of them have you've ended up using personally in your own life and family circle.

For every ailment, for instance, here I open up to anxiety panic attacks, like every ailment has a story, whether it's somebody that I mentored through an illness or a friend, like it just, it tells you I've experienced this either firsthand or, you know, secondhand. And so I'll include a little story about like, I went through this in this year when I was this age or my daughter had this or, or whatever it may be.

shingles, for example. I had a family member go through shingles and I didn't have shingles personally, but I coached them through and they had great success with what I was able to find. And so included in the book. So everything in there is like, that's why I put tried and true, you know, remedies from a mom of six because they've all been tested. You know, a lot of these, a lot of books that I personally own and I bought from Amazon with great excitement, right? Ooh, I have this new book on herbs and I open it up and it's like boil the herbs for six hours.

Speaker 1 (08:10.338)
then soak overnight for two days. And I'm like, I don't have time for, know, calendula is so healing, but I just don't, I need something right now. And so this is the book for those people who just want to go to Amazon and buy the product. And so all of those products are kept up to date. If you buy, if they do want the hard copy, there is a product page that I created on my blog that you can go to that will have the links, or you can just go to Amazon and search for the product.

But yeah, everything is very specific to be practical in 2025.

That's great. Yeah, I'll admit I'm lazy and I'm also impatient. Two character flaws that I'm constantly trying to work on and be of.

You need to have some grace for yourself and add busy. You're busy.

And so I appreciate, you know, I appreciate links. I appreciate links so much. And one of my pet peeves is when people will share information, but then not linked to a source. like, come on, you know, some of us really do want to see the source really want to dig deeper, like, you know, share the link. So anyway, I think it's great that you have a lot of embedded links in the ebook version. And that'll be super helpful for folks. What are some of your favorite

Speaker 2 (09:32.862)
discoveries, you know, in the book, some of those, you know, just like, wow, I didn't think this would work. And it really did or whatever.

boy, that's a good question. So my daughter, you're putting me on the spot, but one really comes up to mind because.

Everybody knows she didn't get the questions in advance, folks.

you know, what's what was interesting we talk about, you're familiar with spiritual warfare. And while I was writing this book, it was very, there were some health challenges that popped up with my kids. And I had this mom guilt of like, here I am, like putting all this focus into something that's sort of outside my home and that I'm pursuing writing a book, right? I have a one year old and a three year old and a five year old and a

you know, a 9, 11, and 15 or 14 at the time. Like, why am I even doing anything else? You homeschooling. Like, I don't have all this extra time. And so what was happening when I was writing the book was weird illnesses that we've never had before. Like, my oldest got what's called dishydro, dishydrosis eczema, like horrible, disfiguring eczema on her hands that looked almost like, like warts a little bit, like tiny warts.

Speaker 1 (10:49.87)
She was experiencing great stress at the time. She started ninth grade, she started high school for the first time after being homeschooled like her whole life. And boom, like the stress hit her. And so because of my prior knowledge of understanding the impact stress has on the immune system, she also got sick. had, what's it called? Mycoplasma pneumonia, the walking pneumonia that like everybody got this past fall. I think it's still going around and kind of people were like, COVID.

It went away during COVID and now it's back, you that kind of thing. But yeah, like I had to figure these things out. So I would say those discoveries of these brand new issues that I've never had to deal with. My family has never had skin problems. So figuring out new remedies for these ailments that were skin related, because we've never had skin issues before.

with the exception of maybe like, molluscum contagiosum, which is another issue that they typically get when they're babies, which is also in the book, by the way. learning that if you mix apple cider vinegar with bentonite clay, the itching from eczema is reduced by, I would say, 70 to 80%. That was a big one. And then with the eczema stuff in particular, it just seems like people really struggle.

eczema, learned that colloidal silver on the eczema actually helps too. So we were kind of like combining all of these things with the mycoplasma pneumonia, the walking pneumonia. We experimented all these like sort of spiritual warfare issues, these attacks resulted in me discovering, figuring out what worked. So like with the walking pneumonia, nebulizing colloidal silver, people would be like,

You mean 100 % colloidal silver? I'd say, yeah, put a teaspoon in your nebulizer and just sit there for 10 minutes until it's out and you breathe it in. You will feel 60 to 70 % better. You'll be coughing a lot, but it comes up.

That's awesome. And well, you know, it's funny how anytime, whenever we have adversity in life, whenever we have challenges and trials and tribulations, it's like, God has a purpose in those things, you know, and it's easy to get beat down and, and discouraged when problems arise in your life. But you know what, what I've learned over the years, cause I've had quite a few problems in my lifetime is that my

My best response to problems and I don't always respond this way, but eventually I end up responding this way. But my best response and, when I'm at my best is my first response is just to step back and say, okay, you know what? God has a purpose in this. There's a reason this is happening and I need to surrender to this, to this process. I need to seek the Lord and I just need to trust that he is going to get me through this.

problem that he's going to provide for me. He's directing my steps and that he works all things for my good. And so yeah, what is he to teach me?

trying to teach you, you know?

Speaker 1 (14:29.794)
making us more like him and it can be so painful to sit back and just take it.

Yeah, it's the refining fire as it says in the Bible, refinement is a painful process. And gold and silver are refined, right? They're heated to extremely hot temperatures to burn off all the impurities.

It sure is. And I you know, people look like that you and at me like, oh, they went through cancer and then they've been fine like the rest of their life. But when you've lived 1620 years after your cancer, is it 21 or 2021 20? Yeah. Coming up on I think you're four or five years ahead. Yeah, wild. But we still things still happen. Like for me, I've gone through six, eight pregnancies, six babies. And

21 for me.

Speaker 1 (15:21.954)
You know, I've had postpartum depression. I've had anxiety problems that have that plagued me for several years that I haven't talked much about. You know, gut problems, chronic headaches, you know, even though we eat really great diets like stress and life, hitcha and we're not, you know, we can do our best, but we're not always in control of every single, you know, we're not in control, period. So.

you can do your best, something like this book's been, even my kids, right? my kids eat so well and we didn't this, we kept them away from the pharmaceutical industry, but they still have stressors and as they live their own lives, they make their own choices and we just have to do our best and pray a lot.

Yeah, and just trust that God's working out their lives and directing their steps as well and they have to learn some hard lessons. But I think it's great because there's things that happened while you're writing the book and probably ended up in the book because it just forced you to learn more. And so that you can look back and say, you know what? That timing was perfect, wasn't it?

It sure did.

Speaker 1 (16:36.238)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's what I feel. I, this isn't, you know, I encourage myself when I'm dealing with difficult situations. And by just reminding myself that, you know, God's timing is perfect. His timing is perfect. Things happen in our lives at the perfect time. The problems happen at a perfect time. The solution will come at a perfect time. And when you just like lean on that and just say, you know, Lord, I trust that your timing is perfect. I'm not going to worry.

that, you know, I'm just going to give you my problem. You know what I need. I'm going to trust you with the outcome and to supply all my needs. It gives you peace, right? And then you have peace in the middle of the storm. And, and that's, you know, I think the biggest issue that many people have is they have so much anxiety and fear and worry because of our culture, right? I mean, we're just surrounded by, we're bombarded by media and fear inducing, know, projections and

hype and hysteria and all this kind of stuff.

that such a balance though, like wanting to be informed yet balancing what you need to know, you know? I have this discussion with my husband who's very alert and like in on the things that are not in the mainstream news, right? Kind of following the telegram groups and things like that. I know you know what I mean. And I'm like, sometimes I had to just be like, put it away. Like, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to do something about it?

Speaker 1 (18:08.718)
then maybe we don't need to know everybody's opinion about A, or C, you know? And especially in the alternative health world, we're all mistrusting. We don't trust anybody. And we have our trusted sources that are saying, ooh, this might happen, and this might happen, or I predict this will happen in 2025. And oh my gosh, I just can't.

I can't like maybe I'm at what point am I a sheep with my head in the sand versus like, you know, balancing those choices of do is it really going to impact, you know, raising my children tomorrow if I know, you know, I don't you get what I'm saying. I feel like we're.

If you know what the World Economic Forum is up to.

Like I know these people watching this will be like mm-hmm. I yeah, I know and it is a hard balance It's hard because we want to know we want to you know You should hear the things that our homeschool group that moms talk about like did you? I you know, I could tell you all the things

I'm the same way. I'm not obsessive about conspiracies and things like that, but I do pay attention because I think it's interesting and I want to know, I want to understand what people are saying and what they believe. then just so I can think about it and I can come to my own conclusions. But at the end of the day, mean, all that information, I just have to stop. Even when I learn a lot of things that are

Speaker 2 (19:45.538)
concerning about what's happening in the world. just have to stop and remind myself that you know what? God is in control, right? His purpose will prevail. And it doesn't matter what's happening in the world, right? mean, I can only control my life, my circumstances, and the rest of it, I can't control. And so I just don't worry. And so that's the big the I think, reminder to our community is like, don't let that information

create fear, worry, and anxiety in your heart. And if it does, you just have to quickly realize, you know what? I'm worried and I'm anxious and I don't need to be. I need to give my worries and my fears to God.

You coach your community very well on this topic.

Yeah, and that's the lesson that cancer taught me, right? If I learned how to not worry about cancer, it taught me how to not worry about anything else either, right? It doesn't mean I don't work, right? If there's a problem, I'm gonna work on solving it if I'm able to. But I like solving problems. That's sort of my nature. But yeah, just, when you realize like you can't live in a constant state of perpetual fear, I mean, it just makes you weak and powerless and helpless and hopeless and...

whether your problem is cancer or your problem is you don't like who got elected president. It's like, you know, worry and fear just steal your joy. They're not, they're not helping you at all. So

Speaker 1 (21:07.906)
segue on that note to food and like life after cancer. This is honestly people are listening in on a conversation that I would have with you almost privately. But like, you know, I hear so much fear around like this is bad for you. This is good for you. And everyone's got a different opinion, right? And so like for me,

raising a large family now and not being able to be in control of everything my kids are doing, right? And I almost feel like my role, if I have a role publicly, is to sort of diffuse the food phobias and the orthorexia and like the fear around, if I eat this, then I'm going to get sick again, cancer's gonna come back, like those kinds of things. Cause I've lived, I mentioned having anxiety and depression.

after my third born, this is in 2015. But like I've lived through like having to decide what was, is it stressing me out more to stay raw vegan 100 % when like, when I pair some grilled chicken, not grilled, but maybe some like instant pot chicken with my meal every night and I feel bellies like weighing the risk, right? Of like, I'm gonna start making

I'm going to start making this food part of my family's life again because my husband wants to eat meat or, you know, I feel better. I feel fuller. don't feel like I'm, you know, for instance, for me after pregnancy, pregnancy nursing, I'm like, I have got to eat. I'm not getting enough calories eating just plant-based. Like I have to do something and I don't have time to chop all these vegetables and, eat a salad. That's the size. You know what I mean? Like those decisions. And I had great anxiety.

over that. And anyway, like, I'm curious what you would share with your community and share it with me. I mean, I know I've come to my own conclusions. I've really been like, this is working for me because I've gone enough years where like I started introducing, you know, a plate of 75 % vegetables and 25 % healthy meats. Like that's kind of how my family eats now. But I have people that are critical of that. You know, they're like, oh, if you're not all plant based, then you're, you know, you're putting yourself at risk. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 (23:30.122)
You know, I could really let that get to my head, but I don't I'm confident in it now because I've lived many years now with I made this decision This is what we're gonna do. But I'm just curious like what would you say to someone probably I'm giving the advice you would say but And just curious. Yeah

I think you know what I'm gonna say already, but maybe there's some people that would appreciate the opinion. I'm totally with you. Food fear is not good. Right. And there are a lot of influential people, you know, that are perpetuating food fear. And that's not healthy, right? It's not healthy to be afraid of food. Now, I think it's good to be informed and to make wise choices and just to understand that if you're eating

just a bunch of processed food, fast food and junk food constantly, your health is going to pay, right? You will not thrive in optimal health eating that way. If you don't exercise, you will not thrive. And so there's simple things we can do and those small shifts make a big impact. And so just focusing on eating whole foods, whole fruits and vegetables, raw and cooked, focusing on eating animal proteins, fine, but I think

the science is pretty clear that it needs to be a small percentage of your diet and not the majority of your diet. And so, you know, it's just simple things like that, that I hate to see people get so bogged down by food fear and rules with food. Now we have a program for cancer patients and we encourage them to eat a raw food diet for 90 days. Right? Not forever. Right? Not forever. And there's no

There are no healthy populations anywhere in the world that eat only raw food, have super extremely long lifespans. Like they don't exist. There are no healthy populations in the world that eat keto, that have long lifespans. There are no populations in the world that eat carnivore, that have long lifespans. Okay. So those are all in the same extreme diet category and they all do have some, maybe some usefulness in different situations and different circumstances.

Speaker 2 (25:46.318)
for cancer and a lot of diseases. think the whole food plant-based diet is the superior diet to promote health and healing. And in some cases, raw food for a season. But again, not getting trapped in these rules that you feel like you can't, you have to abide by forever, right? Because if you break, if you just eat the wrong thing, all of a sudden your body's gonna explode with tumors, right?

And so, and I know, I mean, I, I lived through that and you did too. Like, I know what that feels like. Yeah. And then at some point it's like, where am I putting my faith? Am I putting all my faith in food? Right.

Right?

Speaker 1 (26:27.278)
Who's the healer? Yeah.

And so I realized like, cannot put all my faith in food. I have to put my faith in the Lord and trust him to heal me and lead me and then make good choices, right, with the food I have available and be thankful for the food I have to eat, but not be obsessed by it, consumed by it and put all my faith up and trust in it. there is a, know, in the natural health world, there's an obsession with food as medicine and food is medicinal. It's true.

And food can also be poison, right? Those are both true, right? But at the end of the day, it's like, if you're in fear, I've met people who ate super healthy, but they were so wracked with stress and fear and anxiety and grief and anger, right? You know, just that they got sick. You know, they got sick and the food wasn't enough to help them because their mental, emotional and spiritual health

was so bad that it affected their physical health.

the hardest things to pull out of people is that stuff. they can, you know, it's, challenging because the person has to be the one to do the work. It's, it's, and then, you know, sometimes it's hard when you have somebody who's, know, oh, they did all this diet stuff and they died. And, know, we hear that they died anyway. And I'm like, well, there's just so many components to healing and it, it, it's an extremely personal experience that you really can't, you know, pinpoint one.

Speaker 1 (28:04.494)
once you know what was the one thing you know so yeah but it's great to hear you that's great to hear you say um like i've had moments even just like going to dinner with you when you when this is i'm going to share this when you grabbed for a chip on the mexican restaurant table and had some salsa and chips i'm like you know i felt like oh chris chris eats chips and salsa you know just we just you didn't like go crazy

But you seemed so free and I was sitting there trying to be like, you know, like, along with Chris, I'm not going to like, I'm kidding. I don't know. What do I order at this Mexican restaurant? You know, I'll have a bunch of guacamole and some carrot sticks, you know.

I did have some probably GMO corn.

Yeah, yeah, no, I talk about I'm like, the way I look at it is it's like a bucket, right? You're just don't try to don't overflow your toxic bucket, you know, like it can lower and it can raise I don't know if you've ever used that analogy, but I just kind of keep a mental radar of what my toxic bucket is looking like. And I just want to keep it on the low side, but not like empty, you know, there's some environmental toxins or

You know, it's all kinds of things. Should I get that watch that tracks my steps, you know kind of motivates me But it might have some EMF stuff like, you know Wait, I have to weigh that choice, you know, I'm trying to think my phone like Irritated the poop out of me those full the EMF phone things and I'm like, you know what? I'm not gonna wear I'm not using that case. It falls apart every two months. I'm just gonna like

Speaker 1 (29:47.98)
I'm not gonna use it anymore. I'm just gonna try to keep the phone off of me. How about that? You know, like just making these little decisions about, you know, or I could go on and on of the just the daily decisions, even sharing stuff on Instagram. I was literally making roasted cauliflower from cauliflower. I grew from seed in my garden. This is like last week, purple cauliflower. And I'm getting ready to post the video on Instagram. I'm chopping it up and I'm like,

roast. I'm like, oh gosh, okay, someone's gonna say I'm using parchment paper. Like someone's gonna say that there's something about with my parchment paper. It's don't bake over 400 degrees with parchment paper. Okay, I need to let people know this is stainless steel pan, not aluminum. Okay, olive oil. Okay, someone's gonna say that olive oil is gonna, you know, pass its boiling point, its smoking point. Okay, okay, make sure sea salt, sea salt, you know.

And then I'm roasting it on 400 and then I'll pull it out. Okay, someone's gonna say, you know, that's my brain after 16 years, you know, so like it's always on, is this gonna kill me? Is this gonna kill me? I have to shut it off, but you know what helps me so much is laughing at it. You see me right now, I'm laughing at it. It's ridiculous. And then I look at like 99 % plus of the population who doesn't even know

the stuff that I'm talking about. It's hard to really gauge. You know, I cannot let the one person who's super, super, super duper crunchies, I call them, well, this never, never shared this, but I call them to Kevin, I call them the sessies because they're obsessive. They're obsessive over it all. So I just call, I'm like, you know, this person's, it's, she's a sissy. I used to be, I am a sissy deep down. So I know it, you know, takes one to know one. but I'm like a recovered.

I can be gentler with myself and not so critical, but my little clipboard Carol in my head who's checking all the perfect holistic cancer boxes from my Living Foods raw organic cancer healing protocol. I have to tell her it's okay. It's okay. You can have the roasted cauliflower. It's okay.

Speaker 2 (32:12.128)
Well, and

You know, I have, I've had worse than roasted cop, but I'm just, you know, going to the Mexican restaurant and choosing to have a little, I usually get like, I love a little cup of queso with, I don't like get all the queso, but I love getting like tacos with like a little tiny cup of queso. And I just dip my taco in it. Like those little things that I'm enjoying, but it's like that purse that the Sessy in my head does not go away. She's always there.

Food is meant to be enjoyed, you know? And so I think there's a place for every type of food. Like there are no forbidden foods in my mind, right? There's stuff that, I mean, I just never eat. There's food that I just never eat. But I don't feel like I'm forbidden from eating anything and I don't forbid anyone from eating anything. You know, it's just about, look, understand what you're eating. Understand the proportion of good food you're eating versus bad food, right? It's what you're doing the majority of the time.

After your recovery, would you say is that what you advise?

Yeah, mean, when your life's on the line, be strict. You've got everything to gain.

Speaker 1 (33:19.352)
You've always said 100 % is easier than zero. And it's so true. It's all that decision making you have to do that sometimes can be challenging, you know?

Well, yeah, 100 % is easy, 99 % is hard. Right. And so like, yeah. And so for the person who's healing, it's like, you need total commitment, right? You need to be fully committed to transform your life and to eat and like to be hardcore about what you're putting in your body, what you're putting on your body about your mental and emotional state, about forgiving people that have hurt you, about getting right with God, surrendering, you know,

You just have to be committed to the process. It doesn't mean 100 % doesn't mean perfection. It's an attitude of total commitment. Like I'm doing this. I'm changing my whole life. Can't change it all overnight, but I'm committed to change it, to do everything in my power to help myself and to give yourself grace knowing that you will never be perfect and it's okay. But just doing the best.

with what you have. Like you and I had different journeys because everyone has a different journey. But even though we did a lot of the same things, we had different schedules, right? And so, you know, I made a big batch of juice first thing every morning for the day. You had made a big giant, you know, green smoothie and took it with you to work and sipped on it, you know, throughout the day. I mean, you know, it's just a different strategy, but we're both getting, you know, I had giant salads. You were more of the smoothie person.

It's fine. Like we were just both nourishing, like getting a bunch of good stuff in our bodies in whichever way we could and to be able to get through.

Speaker 1 (35:00.462)
Eventually as I chugged these smoothies, it wasn't sipping. It was chugging by the way because I couldn't And so I'd hold my nose and chug

Holding your nose.

By the way, Courtney is in this book. This book. Let me use the other finger. book. Yeah, she's in Beat Cancer Daily because she has this great entry. And I I love to tell her story because she did this thing. She chugged these big green smoothies full of vegetables, holding her nose every day for years.

You got it.

Speaker 2 (35:36.776)
for like, yeah, for like a couple. Can you imagine like drinking something, holding your nose to drink something not just one time, but to drink a giant green smoothie every single day for several years and that's how committed she was.

stay up until the last co funny, the more stress, that my children are stress feel stressed all the ti and I'm making food that t I were to force all my did for so many years, and you know, for seven y

My firstborn used to eat the Budwig mixture with me, you the cottage cheese flaxseed oil, and she used to have the green smoothie and, that was easy when I had one. And now I have, you know, a lot of kids, I have to make these huge, like, it's like a catering business three times a day. And so like, I've learned. Yeah, I've learned, okay, Lord, like, I'm going to trust you. I'm going to do my best. Like I'm going to make a huge pan of roasted veggies.

Imagine.

Speaker 1 (36:39.414)
And I'm making a huge instant pot full of, you know, instant pot chicken. Like my kids are honestly a bit tired of chicken sometimes because we buy lots and lots of free range chicken from Costco. And I'm just constantly pairing it with things because it fills bellies or soup, right? We'll do soup all the time. And I do a lot of plant-based soup too. Chickpea noodle soup and vegetable chili and thing like big. love the winter for that reason, cause we can do these big things.

Anyway, we're kind of segueing to I need to write a cookbook, I'm like, how many people, maybe your readers or your listeners can tell me like how many people really need a large family book.

Some people would love it. mean, yeah, we're down to three in our house from four. I have two kids, one them's in college. yeah, so now we need the empty nesters.

I can't even imagine how like, not that it would be nice. It would be nice for like a weekend right now.

Yeah. Well, for you, I it'll be so gradual. You got six kids. So it's like, it'll be a very gradual process to the last one.

Speaker 1 (37:45.422)
oldest is like wanting to get a job and now she's going to school during the week and so we're experiencing a little bit of what it's gonna feel like but boy it's sure you're right it will be very gradual and not anytime soon and it's that's we wouldn't want it that way you don't have six kids and be like what are these kids gonna get out of here you know it's like you want them around so

to a graduation and the events leading up to graduation for my eldest daughter, that last semester of high school, that was the toughest for me. Emotionally, you know, that was really tough. Just all the, this is her last, you know, big dance. And this is, you know, there's a senior banquet at her high school. And then there's the graduation. It's like, you know, all this kind of last things. It's like, that was rough taking her to college actually wasn't that bad. Like we didn't

My wife and I really were not emotional when we took her and dropped her off at college and it was a long day.

So excited. Was she excited to go? We're happy for them. We want them to be happy and have their own life. I felt that way about our daughter going to high school. I'm like, really happy for her. She likes to go and she wants to get out of the house. mean, what 15 year old wants to hang out with a one year old all day, you know, not very many, at least not mine.

excited yeah she was excited

Speaker 2 (39:03.682)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. mean, it's, I don't know. It's, it's definitely a weird transition, but yeah, it was the anticipation of it was yeah, harder for me emotionally than the actual event of her, of us moving her out and stuff. And we, she goes to Ole Miss, so it's, it's only an hour away from Memphis. So Oxford is a great town. We like love to go visit. She comes back all the time. We see her all the time. Even during this, while she's at school, she can come back.

know, she can be back here in an hour, like I said, for stuff. it's been great. it's a rabbit trail. I feel you. it's, I think there's a couple things I want to touch on that you mentioned. One is, you know, what I call them health Nazis, right? The people that are always trying to critique. Yeah, your health advice, are, you know, nothing's ever good enough for them. What I found is a lot of them are hypocrites. Right? They know

The sessions, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:01.154)
They know they have some knowledge and they love to point out that you're not doing it in the healthiest way possible. But I guarantee you, if you showed up at their door and walked in and took a look at their fridge and their pantry, just full of stuff that there's no, you know, that, you know, they got Twinkies in the pantry. You know what I'm saying? It's like, what are you doing? Right? Like, what are you doing trying to give me, you know, kind of correct me on my health advice or on, you know, how I should be doing things better when you're not even doing it yourself.

So there's a lot, you just keep in mind, there's a lot of people out there like that. And they're just trying to make themselves feel better on social media by critiquing you. So I don't even pay attention to those kinds of things. And we laugh about it too. There's always, you know, we just, my team and I would just roll our eyes. It's like, yeah, there's always going to be a critic. It's like, you're not doing it right.

You truly can find something wrong with almost everything. I was saying, the roasted cauliflower. And it is tricky with, you know, and for me, the fitness and weight loss, like I've been, you know, I've had six kids. A couple of months ago, I was 25 pounds heavier than, you know, when I got pregnant with my first daughter. And I'm like, I've got to, I want to get this weight off. Like I'm not...

feeling good. not like myself. And so I've been more focused on that. So I've been kind of like, oh, and like, okay, what's the fitness industry saying? And they're saying like, protein, protein, protein. And I'm like, Oh, God. Like, what do I do? I want this weight off, but I'm gonna eat more animal protein. Like, I just what would Chris say, you know?

You live in my head a little bit too because I respect you so much and Kevin and you're good friends with my husband Kevin and he's like well ask Chris What would Chris say? I'm like, I know what Chris would say But

Speaker 2 (41:55.15)
It's just, it's the calorie math, right? It's the calorie math. How many calories do you need per day? How many are you consuming?

Yeah

Speaker 1 (42:02.9)
It's, you know, I'm five foot one. I'm a lot shorter than you. I'm definitely a little bit of a different body type. And so if I cut calories to be, to lose weight, I'm literally eating like 900 calories a day and I feel like poop. So I'm trying to navigate that. Like, you know, you have to almost like have very small calorie deficits on a consistent basis.

and all of that tracking and that like it drives me bonkers. So I usually turn back to the, I'm just going to be healthy and happy. And if the weight comes off, it will come off. But then I'm like, no, no, I want to wear, you know, I want to get into those jeans again, or I want, you know, so I'm sharing my internal struggles with your audience. I'm actually doing in a

I, by the time you air this, I might be, I'll probably be smack in the middle of it, but I'm doing like a little 90 day weight loss challenge with just like, probably mainly women in my community and the anti-cancer mom community. and we're going to just be trying different things. And I I've wanted more. do a lot of like Instagram. I don't know what you want to call it posting influencing whatever. but I don't get to like talk with people and really form relation, you know,

a friendly, like I just want to know people. So I think we're going to be doing just this little group geared towards weight loss and through an anti-cancer lens. it's going to be fun. really kind of pumped about it. It's a total experiment. It's not like I have a ton of time for this kind of stuff, but we're going to see how it goes. yeah, yeah, it is. It's different for, you know, how tall are you? Like six, four or something.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:48.706)
You like a six, two male than a five foot one female that's had a bunch of children and the ups and downs that come with that. So everyone's just got to like, I don't know, you just have to have to pray. Like, where are you? Where are you being led to? And you got to you got to.

You're the kind of person that I know once you focus on something, you're going to figure it out. You will. You'll figure it out. Obviously, there's a balance of the calories coming in and then exercise is a big part. You can't out exercise a bad diet because you're only going to burn so many calories exercising. But if you're also doing strength training, strength training builds muscle and muscle naturally burns more calories. Your resting calorie burn rate.

will increase as you build more muscle. And so that's just a very small tip, but you know, in the exercise routines that you do, don't do all cardio. Make sure like two or three days a week, you're actually like lifting weight. You're not going to get bulky. Like every woman's afraid like, I want to get bulky. Like, you know, it's so hard to get bulky. I mean, it is really hard. Guys want to get bulky.

be on some sort of you mentioned creatine like I'm not on I will not be on creatine I know you've kind of spoken out against you know informed about that but I just see women who are there lot of women in the fitness world like creatine build that muscle and I'm like

You can still build a muscle without creatine. yeah, it's, women are afraid to get bulky and trust me, it is hard to get bulky. I mean, you have to consume so much food and be relentless in the gym to build, you know, to turn into some big muscle person. So don't be afraid of that. You just want to strengthen the muscles you've got. That'll burn more calories naturally. mean, yeah, it's, it really is a, once you kind of just kind of dedicate, pick a plan, right?

Speaker 2 (45:47.374)
You just sort of decide, okay, here's my plan. I'm going to just follow this plan. I'm going to just keep my calories at this level per day as best I can and make sure I'm in the gym, you know, four times a week, five times a week and a half of that being cardio, half of it being strength training. Just the simplest strategy. And it really does work. I mean, it's not, it doesn't have to be complicated.

The consistency of yeah, that's it. actually doing the weight training too.

And it's hard with that six kids like that's hard. It's hard to find the time to do it.

Kevin lately has been like, okay, after dinner, we're both like totally like which we're trying to eat lighter dinner so that we can go to the gym after dinner and like our oldest is old enough. Our second is almost old enough to, you know, kind of babysit. We're like, we got an hour. We're going to gyms like five minutes from our house. We have one in the garage too, but lately it's been like 25 degrees. So this feels a little better to go. Yeah. A gym in our garage. have dumbbells and like a weight bench. So nothing fancy, but yeah.

Great advice. know, something going back, I wanted to mention in the book, and this is totally not like even to promote it. I'm one of those people I could care less

Speaker 2 (46:54.794)
promote it definitely promote i'm promoting it for you

But no, but I just, I'm like, this is really helpful and I want to make things easier for people. That's probably what drove me to write this book is just like, I know, I know the information and I want to share it with everybody because this is really helpful. This was, this would have been, I would have been so grateful as a new mom to have like here, this is what works. This is what works. But yeah, there's a hundred ailments by the way. I think I told, said that anyway, I'm not even going to talk about that section. What I wanted to mention is

In the back is my whole cancer protocol, but I have the after cancer section too, where it's like, this is how I gradually kind of started experimenting with what am I gonna sort of let myself, what am I gonna eat after I'm in remission? And so I have by year, a whole section in the book that says like years one or years one and two, was on really years one, two and three, was.

pretty much on my cancer protocol, even though I was in remission after six months, I just kind of stayed the course for year two and three. then gradually, maybe year three kind of gradually started letting myself have like what you say, you call recreational, you know, foods and not even like bad, you know, not even like super duper like,

Fried Twinkies or?

Speaker 1 (48:18.38)
Nothing like that. Yeah. Like maybe I'd have like a small slice of cake at a birthday party or something. In addition to my, my smoothie and my salad and my, you know, breakfast, Budwig breakfast. and then year four through seven was really, I remember there was a shift because I had my second baby and I was like, okay, now it was like, I'm going to buy, I'm going to start making like healthy dinners for the family. We started eating dinner as a family instead of me just having my cancer fighting salad every night where everyone else eats.

whatever I made, I was always making things that Kevin would like, but also making my own stuff too. You know, that was always, or he would go out to the salad take, take, we had a takeout restaurant that cooked like decent food that he would get like a takeout plate for him and my daughter, my oldest daughter. She was little or I would give her like, you know, how babies eat chopped tomatoes and some lentils and like that's dinner. Here's like some apple and apple and blueberries and gosh, you know, I wish.

wish husbands ate like that too sometimes or big kids. And then, know, years four through seven, this is how I ate and then years eight through, you know, 16, this is kind of how we eat now. And gradually I've gotten off of like, things just it just felt natural to stop. You know, I just kind of got sick, for instance, honestly, of my cancer fighting smoothie, just kind of got like, I'm so tired of drinking this. This is like, we're talking 10, 15 years.

Yeah, I you drink it a thousand times.

And lately, I'm like, I'm like, I just don't wanna and I'm not gonna. And so I'm giving I'm not saying it's forever, but just this past in 2023 or 2024. I was just like, I just don't want to drink a cold smoothie today. And it just kind of gradually it was really after I had my sixth baby. Like I just want to eat a normal lunch. And so I do I have salad a lot for lunch, but it's not like

Speaker 1 (50:16.376)
you know, perfect salad sometimes I literally buy a clamshell of arugula, a clamshell of broccoli slaw, like the broccoli slaw in the bag. I make three salads. I do this like twice a week. I just go over to Trader Joe's. We have a Trader Joe's really close to our house now. I mean, who knows how old this broccoli slaw is, you know, it's not ideal. I should be like chopping everything, but I'm like, I just don't have the time. So I want to eat healthy. I want to have a salad.

you know, I'll top it with blueberries and chopped peppers and like, I'll process some carrots. Sometimes I'll use baby carrots. my gosh. Like people, the things people say. And I'm like, I know, I know, I know that these were probably washed with chlorine or something. And I've just, it's organic. Honestly, another thing Chris going like with Berkey, with the Berkey filters, I'm like,

You know, I don't I got so sick of my fluoride filters from my Berkey backing up my water that I took them off one day and I've never put them back on. And so I know I'm like, I know that there's fluoride coming through my water, but I tend to think and this is probably like a key thing from this whole interview is I'm like, just tend to think more positively about what I'm doing right than what I'm doing wrong. that was such a shift in my mindset. And I feel like I truly healed when I started.

saying and I felt like I needed to be a voice of reason for this my anti-cancer community like the anti-cancer community is like once you're healed like just start thinking more positively like look what you're doing right and so like Berkey with the well I use the borough filters now they're kind of rebranded Berkey filters but I'm like this is filtering like 99.9 percent of most everything and it's really easy and it's 12,000 gallons or whatever you know like I'm

They tend to think more positively. would ideally like water like fluoride out of the water altogether. But I always tell the story of I had an alkaline water machine when I was healing for seven years. It was like the best water, you know, and I found out after seven years and I, when I finally like talked to Kevin about this, he is, he was the one that did all the research and bought all the things when I was doing my cancer stuff. So he's like, we need an alkaline water machine. We're going to buy this thing. And so we drank this water. was so

Speaker 1 (52:34.19)
so good. It was the best tasting water, alkaline, you nine or whatever. And it broke. I was like, and we started I started asking, I'm like, did this have a fluoride filter on it? It didn't. So for seven years, healed cancer, like all this stuff, I'm like, it's a fluoride filter. And for seven years, I thought it did, like things like that. And I'm like, Lord, thank you. You're teaching me I'm

Nope.

Speaker 2 (53:02.326)
I would have told you that if you'd asked. That was my big hang up with the alkaline machines is that filtration was lousy. They had really lousy filters. Yeah, they will alkalize your water, they're not great at contaminant removal.

my god.

Speaker 1 (53:16.558)
What you think about the aqua tree reverse osmosis? says it has a line. Yeah, I have one. They like I have one. have a little mini one. I'm going to send it whenever Ruby Claire goes to college. I figured I'll send it with her.

Aqua True is great. You can find this video on YouTube, there was a guy who used, there's a company called TapScore. You can take a sample of your water and send it to TapScore. You pay them a few hundred bucks and they'll send you back a report of what's in your water, contaminants levels in your water. A guy, it's great. I should have done it myself, but good for him. He's already done it.

a guy took a sample of Berkey filtered water and a sample of aqua true filtered water and send them in a tap score and got the results back and they're the same. mean, they were both like 92 or 93 out of a hundred in terms of, you know, the contaminant removal and all that kind of stuff. So it's like, yeah, they're both really great water filters. There's a lot of other great water filters. is there one that's the best? I don't know. I wouldn't ever claim one's the best. I love the Berkey cause it's portable and you know, it's

gravity fed like the prepper a little bit of a prepper in me loves that about the

I don't want to get stuck. had that problem when the electricity would go out and we couldn't have water, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (54:34.68)
So the aqua trues need power and to run because they are electric filters. And they do have under the sink models that would need water pressure. anyway, yeah, they're great. They're great. I think all the stuff we're talking about, it's like there's just seasons in life where you have to be really hardcore, make sense to be hardcore about what you're eating. And then there's other seasons where it's OK. You really can relax and enjoy yourself.

I think the most informative, my audience has heard me talk about this lots of times, but I love the Blue Zones. I think the China study's terrific. The research where they're actually looking at healthy people with low rates of disease and the longest living people around the world and just evaluating, what are they doing? What are they eating? What do their lives look like? And what you find is, as far as the Blue Zones research and the China study, by the way,

The China study was sort of co-opted by the vegan movement to claim that veganism was the healthiest. what the China study did not, the book was not about being a vegan. It was about the healthiest people groups in China were primarily plant-based. They weren't strict vegans, but they just were primarily eating whole plant foods and very little animal food. So anyway, same findings with the Blue Zones.

There are no strict vegans really in the blue zone, any of the blue zones. But these, these are just populations of people that are eating a lot of whole plant foods and only about 5 % of their diet comes from animal food. So it's in there.

the blue zones several times. I'm like, the key takeaway from me was that just people are connected and they're in community. They're not isolated alone. And I felt like for me, that was like, gosh, yes, like I want to do better. I want to do better with just being connected, you know, when you have a big family, honestly, like, I feel like I'm always connected because, but that's, you know, kind of a natural thing, right? mean, historically, we would have had a

Speaker 1 (56:45.014)
everybody would have had a big family unless for whatever reason you couldn't. But you know, also just making sometimes taking these little small steps to just say hello to my neighbor and really know them like who live around me. And yes, sometimes huge are the ones that have to take initiative on that, right? You need to say, Hey, here's some Christmas cookies, or they're made with dates and gluten free. Just kidding. Right? Yeah, like those those little, those little things that you know,

And some people may not want to, but it just it's the feeling it gives you that you're connected and you're somehow like part of a group of people that would have your back if for some reason you needed them, you know.

Yep. And it's become very easy to be disconnected and lonely. And loneliness actually impacts cancer survival. It's a major factor in cancer survival. People who suffer from loneliness do not have great survival. And so if you're lonely and you don't have any friends, you can sit there and feel sorry for yourself. You're like, don't have any friends. I'm lonely. I don't know anybody. Or you have to get out there and make some friends. You have to go sign up for some fitness classes.

Right? Go take a pottery class. Like go do some, like you just have to get yourself out in the world in social situations and you will make friends. You know, you may not make a whole bunch of friends the first time you go out, right? But like if you consistently become a part of a community, let's say you start volunteering, right? And you become a part of a volunteer community for a local church or charity. That's one of

group.

Speaker 2 (58:26.51)
You get in a healing strong group, You take up pickleball, start going to pickleball. You do a Zumba class. There's so many ways that you can plug yourself in. Some of my best friends, some of my best, best guy friends, we became friends through the gym. I go to this gym called Iron Tribe, which is like a CrossFit type functional fitness gym.

like consistently the word maybe the theme of this podcast is consistency.

Yeah, and I've been consistently doing that for 10, shoot, no, like almost 13 or 14 years. But a lot of these guys, we've become really, really good friends in the last five years. And we've taken trips together. I just have a really great group of guys that I'm really thankful for, that I did not have before that. I just didn't have really a circle of guys. I was just always been busy, always kind of been a lone wolf and had

you know, friends, of course, but we know we all really value each other, think, and are appreciative of that relationship. But it came because I plugged myself into a community and kept showing up and I wasn't there to make friends. was there to get fit. But the friendships, you know, happened. That's awesome.

for you. I'd imagine because you work from your home office, right? So just

Speaker 2 (59:54.83)
Yeah, don't have any work buddies. It's just me and an apple.

And whoever you're you're interviewing or that, yeah. I maybe we can do this off record, but I really want to hear about about having Barbara O'Neill on there on your your like, I love her.

She's awesome. Yeah, there's not much to tell. mean, if you see the interview, that's what it is. But she is really, yeah, she's such a terrific lady, such a great teacher. She's got a big heart, loves the Lord. And obviously, I had been aware of her for a little while and had seen some of her lectures and stuff online and thought, she's great. so

just it was just her time like in the past year she's really her influence has been much needed you know

I mean, yeah, really post COVID all of sudden. She just has blown up and it's really not because of her effort. It really is just because of who she is and she just has such a... People just connect with her. She's such a great teacher and so knowledgeable on natural health and healing and nutrition.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11.052)
Yes, she's the one of the reasons I'm really drawn to her story is she has eight kids, you know, she has eight.

I didn't even know that. don't think we even talked about having a

about I believe that I believe she has a don't quote me on that but she has a lot of kids and and you know she just to watch her teach I mean you know I was a teacher before I came home to homeschool my own children and I've always loved teaching and one of my like for like my life what I want to see happen is I want to see this sort of plan a approach to cancer where people take a press the pause button while they're

you after they're diagnosed, do a great job with this. You had your 20 questions for your oncologist, you know, several years ago, I remember like, you know, asking like, how can, I have time to just like not rush into chemo? And, you know, I want to see that become the norm, you know, in my lifetime. And if like, you know, one day with watching Barbara, you know, she didn't do this, you know, she wasn't a success in her thirties or forties or twenties, you know.

She, was, you know, now she's probably what in her sixties, something like that. And I'm like, I would love to make the difference that she's making in her and what she's doing and teaching people for like looking at like, Hey, wait, you know, in the vast majority of cancers for the vast majority of people, you don't have to rush into it. You know, that's probably what I would like to do with my life after my kids are grown. So I love watching Barbara.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46.55)
Well, you've got so much traction already that yeah, it is just a natural thing. keep doing what you're doing. You're reaching people, new people every day. You're encouraging people. love that the book is that you've put, it takes a lot to write a book. It takes a lot. It's just a lot of effort. And my publisher is constantly

Good start, right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12.103)
asking me if I want to do another book or more books and I'm like, yeah, but also no. Because it is it's a lot of work and it's one

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20.878)
We're the things that we learned. Like what? We have to pay for an ISBN number? That's stupid.

Yeah, yeah. Well, the same

Or like publishing, like I didn't have a publisher, which thank you for your, you having this interview, like you're getting the word out about it. It was actually your advice. Like I was like, I don't have a publisher. Like I have a lot of great stuff to say, but, and you know, you're so gracious to have me on here because you know, you got a lot of people watching you and, but yeah, so to have, know, when you have a publisher, you have to do publicity and things like that. And it's, you want people to read your book.

but yeah, there's, there's a lot to it and the edits. my goodness. You think, you think it's edited and then you have someone else read it and they find like 52 typos and you're like, what? my gosh. I'm so sorry. You know, so.

Hey, I had professional editors with my publisher and there was a typo in the first printing of my book. And I'm like, my God. One of them made the typo. wasn't even my typo was actually. There was a few last minute, last minute tweaks in the book that they made on my behalf. And one of them made a typo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22.67)
Remember.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27.382)
a typo and it was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38.252)
Wasn't it like, hey, wasn't it like the first couple pages too? It was like the

It was Yeah, it was in the introduction of the book. Yeah, the word. Now it was funny because it could have been really bad. But the word was the word shift. The word shift. And it and it said shift. S. Fortunately, it didn't say sh it. It said paradigm shift. And I was like,

It's gonna be worse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07.117)
Anyway, it's since been corrected in subsequent printings. So if you got the first edition, you got a real collector's item on your hands there. Well, this has been really fun, Courtney. We've gone over time and I'm just, it's been just fun to catch up with you. And I'm excited about the book and I want to make sure people know where to get it. I know it's on Amazon. That's probably the best place to send people, right?

Yes, well, I created a landing page where you can actually, actually you can get the ebook as a landing page. I did it myself, which is I'm learning. Everything is like a technological like thing, you know, struggle sometimes for me, but it's just a landing page where you can choose either the ebook, the Amazon paperback or a free mini guide like sample. So if you want to check it out before you, you know, you can download that. Good. So I'll share that link with you.

I'll make sure I put it in the show notes so everybody can find it.

They can go to my blog, anti-cancermom.com and it's in like this shop. You can literally hover over the shop and it's the last one you can click on it. So it will take you to that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17.768)
That's great. So folks go get a copy of the book. It's awesome. Like I said, I have the e-book version I have not read the whole thing, but it's not like the kind of book you're gonna just gonna read start to finish anyway, it's Topical based on so you can just flip through and say you know like whatever condition you you have or you're trying to heal there's again There's a hundred different things in there that Courtney has researched it and had

Actually, in intro, I just tell people you may want to just whatever you are prone to in the winter, for example, or what your kids are prone to, like go through those sections in advance and then like stock up on the things that you might need. Because this is all right. It was an experiment for me to see what worked and it's going to be essentially an experiment for whomever, you know, it's always like not everything works for everybody. But these are definitely the like shining stars of what remedies I've used that.

and recommended to my friends that they're like, Oh, it's a miracle that you know, this homeopathy like heparasulf or sore throat, worked. can't believe it, you know. So yeah.

Do you have any remedies for paranoid schizophrenia?

Never had that experience before. I don't think I could make a joke. that's called like ministry or something. Go search.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30.158)
The Narcissist

Speaker 2 (01:07:39.47)
That's right. Well, thanks everybody. Thanks for watching. anti-cancermom.com, Courtney Campbell. You can find her online on her website and on Instagram. She's probably the most busy, mean, frequent poster on Instagram than anywhere else, I think.

Most of my time is Instagram. I enjoy it more because it is more like a community and people are nicer there. I think the crowd is younger.

I enjoy Instagram more too. get a lot more, obviously they're owned by the same company, but they operate differently. We get a lot more traction on Instagram than Facebook, even though I have way more followers. I have probably almost twice as many followers on Facebook as Instagram, but get a fraction of the amount of comments and shares and all that kind stuff.

The engagements just not there as much.

It's not great. It's sad. It's a bummer when you have half a million followers and you post something and you get like five likes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41.35)
You're like what percentage of the total followers even you know

It's like one I think we can't it's like literally my engagement on Facebook. We'll get off now in a minute, folks, because I know you're probably like, why are you talking about this?

I you might cut this, but hey, people are getting the real conversation.

Okay.

My engagement on Facebook, think is 1 % of 1%. That's what it is. The amount of people that actually see what I post, it's not 1 % of them because that would be 5,000 people. think it's like 500 out of 500,000 is like how many people see when I post something. Unless it's shared a bunch, then other people see it. just like people who follow me, Facebook just doesn't show my posts. What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05.87)
That's why

Speaker 1 (01:09:28.01)
anybody who's listening, most, most the majority of people would have a social media account and have maybe attempted at one point or another to create some sort of content that shares something they believe in or that they're whatever and it takes time. And so it is frustrating when you like, you're like five people saw it. Okay, I give up, you know, so you just have to be persistent, I guess.

Yeah, just keep sharing helpful information and just trust that people will see it, that need to see it. I really don't pay attention to that. I just happened to look at it recently and was like, this is pathetic. I'm not like, man, the algorithm does not like me, but at latter, I've got some shadow banning going on.

No, at the healing strong conference, remember, I don't know if you were in the room. I think you were on the stage with me, but I talked about how really our healing strong leaders needed to be the boots on the ground people because we can't get our message out as easily on social media as it used to be, especially to people who don't know about it already. And so it's our responsibility to just share in person. That's kind of the best.

It really is. And the censorship issue has been interesting too, because Facebook has now loosened up a ton. Zuckerberg just made this announcement, but I've, noticed, I mean, I'd say probably started to notice a year ago that they really seem to be lightening up on the censorship on Facebook. Whereas YouTube has really gotten more aggressive. They've, YouTube has been consistently deleting videos of mine, old videos.

Totally notice,

Speaker 2 (01:11:07.886)
Old interviews I've done, I'm surprised they haven't deleted our old interview.

Like really crappy videos too like I film this like with babies screaming in the background Yeah, but I've said things like I healed my cancer blah blah blah blah blah and I wasn't even in the title It was just in what I said in the video I'm You know how I've shifted my entire messaging like a year ago basically when I started being more active on Instagram and it's been brilliant

That's medical misinformation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40.12)
I've started saying spontaneous remission from cancer. Like I've never used that. Look at interviews from like, like the interviews with you or whomever. I've never said spontaneous remission because it wasn't spontaneous, but I'm safe with that. And the people that know very, you can read, you know, you can read through the, what does it read through the lines or whatever. Like I'm obviously saying spontaneous remission and people know, look at all this she did. Like this is not.

spontaneous remission.

It didn't go away overnight.

Right. Kind of interesting. That's the way to get through the censorship. But I kind of like how bold you are. You just say it out loud and you take it like a man.

Yeah, I take the algorithm restrictions like a man. Yeah, do. Shadow banning like a man. But one more thing along those lines is that one of the videos that they took down, that YouTube took down, was my interview with Dr. Kelly Turner, who wrote a book about spontaneous remission. Here it is on my shelf right there, Radical Remission. Can you all see it by me? Just interviewed her when the book came out, talking about the book and her research. And then

Speaker 2 (01:12:52.458)
Last year, I just get a notice that YouTube has taken that video down because it's something in there. They're calling medical misinformation. It's like, give me a break. anyway, folks, that's just the thing. You know, we have to help each other share. Please share this video with people that you care about. Get a copy of Courtney's book. Buy some copies for, for your friends and family for baby showers. And, yeah, it's just a great resource to have on hand for those, little maladies and little.

you little things that come up in life that need need some remedies.

Yep. It's a great bathroom read. like, acid reflux. Let me see.

Yeah. And honestly, I actually do want to read. I'm going to retract what I said earlier. I actually do want to read the whole thing because I know if I read the whole thing, it'll plant little seeds in my mind. I'll learn things that I know I don't know yet based from your research on all these little things. I'll just, some of it will get stored in the memory banks and will be useful later. That's true. Yeah, I actually do. Yeah. I would love to read the whole thing. want

And every issue has a story. So if you want to get some juicy information about my family's health histories, which ones my friends had and which ones we had, you can read the story.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15.726)
That's great. Courtney, you're the best. Great to see you. I'm so glad you're doing well. Congrats on the book and say hi to for me. Looking forward to seeing you soon in Atlanta. Thanks for watching everybody. We'll see you on the next one.