“When you get diagnosed with cancer, it’s an indication that you’ve lost balance in your life. The cancer was an alarm bell telling me to sort my life out and start putting my health first.” -Murray Cluley
Murray Cluley was born in Helenburgh, Scotland and spent much of his childhood living around the world before becoming an aircraft engineer. In 2012, while living in Dubai with his wife Mags and their two children, Murray was diagnosed with stage IV renal cell carcinoma that had spread to his lungs, liver and abdomen. Doctors told him it was terminal.
Murray refused to accept this prognosis and began a radical lifestyle change, embracing a whole food plant-based diet, meditation, herbal supplements, rest, and deep spiritual work. After a near-death experience in 2018 and what he calls divine intervention, Murray made a remarkable recovery.
Today, Murray is healed and thriving! He and Mags run holistic healing retreats in Somerset, England, where they teach others the same five principles that transformed his life.
Mags has also written a book titled Kicking the Terminal Out of Cancer, which shares their journey from diagnosis to recovery, offering hope, practical guidance, and inspiration for anyone facing a cancer diagnosis.
I know you will be encouraged by their incredible healing story. Enjoy!
Watch our interview below, or listen to it on the Chris Beat Cancer podcast on iTunes or Spotify.
Mags and Murray unedited transcript
Show Notes
-Murray’s stage IV kidney cancer diagnosis [2:27]
-Second opinions can save your life [9:19]
-The difference between palliative and curative care [12:22]
-How meditation can calm the mind and heal the body [15:44]
-The healing power of plant-based diet and juicing [19:30]
-Leveling up with the Square One program [21:15]
-Key supplements Murray used, including IP6 [25:32]
-Don’t put your faith in supplements alone [28:42]
-Murray’s near death experience: septic shock and multiple organ failure [30:45]
-A massive turnaround in just 3 weeks [33:27]
-The calling to open a healing retreat [35:47]
-Writing Kicking the Terminal Out of Cancer [38:11]
-You’re not a victim of disease [40:17]
-The importance in asking questions and pushing for clarity [43:47]
-The freedom in a terminal diagnosis [48:09]
-PSA: Protect your family’s future with a trust [49:27]
-Murray’s advice for newly diagnosed patients [53:55]
-Why cancer became a blessing [58:53]
-Learn from long-term survivors [1:02:06]
“Don’t ever give up hope until you draw your last breath.” -Mags Cluley
Connect with Mags and Murray:
Website: Kick the Terminal Out of Cancer
Book: Kicking the Terminal Out of Cancer
Facebook: Kick the Terminal Out of Cancer
Instagram: @kicktheterminaloutofcancer2012
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I listened to the Mags and Murray interview.
Sadly like many people who set up retreats etc to “help” others make them so expensive they are out of reach. It also makes me doubt that they are genuine and that their cancer healing story is true as it seems making exorbitant amounts of money from the misery and fear around cancer is the main aim. That’s sad.
Wow thats pretty sad if true. but the entire cancer business is just that. Dosnt seem anyone cares about anything but $$$$$. Probably just repeating the same thing this guy Chris did……
Please don’t let this comment put anyone off- check for yourself.
I love this! This was a beautiful interview. Thanks for that!
great interview. Thank you
Dear Chris: Thank you for your latest interview. I believe what you say about chemo, radiation and surgery. I am 70 years old and have never had cancer but if I do get it I will follow your advice. Your book was interesting and I am thankful for you. Have a blessed day and God bless you. Sincerely Moira
Chris, I think you need to check these facts, a lot of their story does not ring true. Surely he knows how old he was in 2012? He says 43, she says 47…then she backtrack saying “we’ll call it 43”. That’s when they lost me.
Then their story about their friend who had 2 months to live but they gave him Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy regardless. Then they tested him 2 months later and said he was clear? Now that is nonsense. I am in the UK currently undergoing Radiotherapy. It is, at the very least, 2 weeks preparation, then a 6 week course and, at the end, they have to wait for 3 months for the inflammation to clear before accurate scanning can be done. So why would the UK hospital, having pronounced the Malaysian friend terminal in 2 months, embark on a very costly 5 month process? They simply would not do that here. The cost is carried by the hospital, not the patient.
This interview is riddled with red flags. I follow you and am a SQ1 member, but airing a video like this makes me lose faith a little. Murray did a radical seesaw of unresearched protocols based on various things his friends and colleagues suggested, until he weighed 58kgs and nearly killed himself in 2018. This couple should not be running retreats, and certainly not be given support under your impeccable name.
Back in 1990s: Pls read, they induce infection to cure cancer.
In the 1990s, deliberately causing an infection was generally not a standard or widely accepted practice for treating cancer in conventional Western medicine. However, the concept, which dates back to the late 19th century work of William Coley, was the historical precursor to modern immunotherapy, which was an emerging field in the 1990s.
Historical Context
The original practice, developed by American surgeon William Coley in the 1890s, involved injecting cancer patients with bacteria (later a heat-killed mixture known as “Coley’s toxins”) to induce a high fever and an immune response, which sometimes resulted in tumor regression.
This method fell out of favor in the mid-20th century with the advent of radiation and chemotherapy, primarily due to inconsistent results and a lack of understanding of its mechanism. The FDA effectively banned the commercial sale of Coley’s toxins in the U.S. in 1963, classifying them as an unproven “new drug”.
Practices in the 1990s
By the 1990s, direct, systemic infection to treat cancer was rare and generally confined to specific, limited contexts:
Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG): The most notable exception was the use of a weakened strain of the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis (BCG), which was instilled directly into the bladder to treat superficial bladder cancer. This method, approved by the FDA in 1990, remains a standard treatment today and works by stimulating a local immune response.
“Coley’s Toxins” in limited use: A version of Coley’s toxins (Vaccineurin) was reportedly available in German private clinics until the early 1990s, but its production ceased due to lack of re-approval by German authorities.
Hyperthermia research: The 1990s saw research into hyperthermia (using heat to damage cancer cells), sometimes in conjunction with conventional therapies, but this did not involve deliberately causing an infection to induce fever.
Again, like Laetrile, FDA did some magic to ban this method as well. However, it shines a light with the idea that if we boost our immune system, take care of it so well. It will kill the cancer cells for us.
P.S. anyone wants to join Bible Study with me. come! I read more than those 66 books (book of Jubilees, books of Enoch, fantastic. talk a lot about idolations, and how the Earth turns out like this, how son of God (angle married with daughter of men) and taught men “incomplete’ knowledge that were not designed to know by humans.
Great interview … as usual!!! I totally agree with the comment to learn from long time survivors and your interviews give us the chance to do just that.
Who had the cancer he or his wife. She is talking, as if she had it ! ha,ha,ha
Hey Chris, everything you say and do is very good, but my question is and which really you should be concerned about is, why did you develop cancer at a very young age, like yours.
I had my experience at 70, but being young has many other advantages, but why did it really happen to you, what were you doing wrong ?
My partner Tony of 48 years got throat cancer and the medical profession totally ignored the fact that we did not want him to go through Chemo and radiation for it. He was a double amputee. Palliative care asked him do you want to live or die? Tony said I want to live. So then they said you had better have the chemo then. At that point I started to do some research “The Truth about Cancer.” Tony agreed to go with the chemo and radiation against my advice, believing the doctors knew best unfortunately and then 3 weeks into his horrid treatment, I discovered we have a biological medical clinic here we could have gone to instead with a Hyperbarium and Infra red sauna, both which have the ability to kill cancer cells, but it had a long waiting list. They probably have other means to help as well but we nevr got there. After 4 weeks only of Tony’s chemo and radiation he stopped it, having had enough afrer shitting all over the floor, his wheelchair and the toilet. I had to ring up and cancel his appointments for more of their rubbish shit chemo and radiation (Over 70 years out of date treatment) (Boy did they hate that!) I wanted to try and help him with extracts of vitamins and minerals but it was too late. The only extracts they fed him on were protein and fiber and he vomited pink elastic type strings. Then Tony had lost so much weight and was so weak he couldn’t exercise or even get into his wheelchair by himself and nearly fell off his shower stool after wanting a shower because he had wet the bed. Unfortunately maybe I rang an ambulance thinking he may be dying and wanted help, so they came and took him back to the hospital and after xrays said he had pneumonia which he had caught because he was too weak to exercise. By the end of the week, he died. I will never ever trust the medical profession for the rest of my life! I only go to a naturopath and have read much information, I’m 79 yerars of age, dont drink alcohol or take drugs, no dirty drugs from GP’s and am extremely healthy as of now. The filthy rich love to make their dirty money through Big Pharma. I hope that everyone in future will stay away from them.
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